One way flow back to mainland China is based on Nvidia disclosed a $147.3 million stake in ARM, which is owned by SoftBank, which owns ARM Technology (China) Co Ltd.
Thanks, Darin. Yes I understand these ownership and investment structures.
Softbank is a Japanese company.
Softbank owns a majority stake in ARM (i think only about 10% went public in the recent IPO).
ARM is a british company. NVDA has a small ownership stake in ARM.
ARM Tech (China) is an independent Chinese company which happens to be ARM's largest customer (about 25% of their revenues).
What I am not clear is how China is buying the house to gain access to US chips via this relationship. If the US implements more restrictions, that are also applicable to ARM (British), they could lose more of their ARM (China) business, but that could be replaced by more US/Western side business. As I see it, the US and their allies (uK, Japan etc.) could collaborate on these restrictions that shuts China out, while supporting growing Western side demand for these advanced chips.
Sorry, I am just trying to understand if and how China is circumventing these guardrails.
The inflow of investment particularly regarding Nvidia, has increased its market capitalization by 1.3T in the span of one year. It's difficult for me to identify outside sources of capital that are not aligned with sovereign investment in some capacity.
Bingo...I am also considering this same POV. I would not be surprised if some non-US sovereign funds are heavily investing in the US based AI enterprises, in both the public and non-public markets.
Latest suspect: SOUN (SoundHound AI)
Great discussion. Thanks for following up. Cheers!
Hi Darin...Sorry for the noob questions. Can you please explain this again?
How is China investing in NVDA? How is China "buying the house"? What role do indexes or ETFs play in this?
Thanks
"It’s my opinion that CEO Jen-Hsun "Jensen" Huang is the best avenue for China investment into the US chips market.
This unconventional approach highlights China's determination to circumvent exclusions, effectively 'buying the house' to gain entry.
Index providers initially provided an open door for this investment."
This is all publicly available information on the SEC EDGAR database.
https://www.sec.gov/edgar
13F-HR (Institutional investment manager holdings report)
SC 13G/A (Beneficial ownership report)
One way flow back to mainland China is based on Nvidia disclosed a $147.3 million stake in ARM, which is owned by SoftBank, which owns ARM Technology (China) Co Ltd.
Thanks, Darin. Yes I understand these ownership and investment structures.
Softbank is a Japanese company.
Softbank owns a majority stake in ARM (i think only about 10% went public in the recent IPO).
ARM is a british company. NVDA has a small ownership stake in ARM.
ARM Tech (China) is an independent Chinese company which happens to be ARM's largest customer (about 25% of their revenues).
What I am not clear is how China is buying the house to gain access to US chips via this relationship. If the US implements more restrictions, that are also applicable to ARM (British), they could lose more of their ARM (China) business, but that could be replaced by more US/Western side business. As I see it, the US and their allies (uK, Japan etc.) could collaborate on these restrictions that shuts China out, while supporting growing Western side demand for these advanced chips.
Sorry, I am just trying to understand if and how China is circumventing these guardrails.
Thanks and enjoy your weekend.
Beachman,
I'm still piecing together the inflow details, whereas the outflow is clearly documented.
It's rare you build a backdoor to a house you have no intention of living in.
The Chinese government has strategically invested in key tech and e-commerce sectors to bolster domestic industry leaders and ensure control.
For example, Alibaba just disclosed Chinese government related stake in over 12 business units.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/4071453-alibaba-discloses-chinese-government-related-stake-in-over-12-business-units
The inflow of investment particularly regarding Nvidia, has increased its market capitalization by 1.3T in the span of one year. It's difficult for me to identify outside sources of capital that are not aligned with sovereign investment in some capacity.
Bingo...I am also considering this same POV. I would not be surprised if some non-US sovereign funds are heavily investing in the US based AI enterprises, in both the public and non-public markets.
Latest suspect: SOUN (SoundHound AI)
Great discussion. Thanks for following up. Cheers!